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Joie Chitwood Statement About 15th Allstate 400 At The Brickyard
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#61 
07-29-2008 09:11 PM |
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 Very disappointed I don't blame the Speedway at all! NASCAR and Goodyear knew they had troubles on Friday afternoon! I don't think the Speedway should do anything about giving discounts for our tickets next year, I believe NASCAR and Goodyear should foot the bill for it!! I never have been so upset about a race! I feel the drivers and teams did the best they could have done considering. I put all the blame on NASCAR and Goodyear, now get your head on straight and buck up and make it right to the Indy fans!!!! 
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#62
07-29-2008 09:19 PM |
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Very disappointed I don't blame the Speedway at all! NASCAR and Goodyear knew they had troubles on Friday afternoon! I don't think the Speedway should do anything about giving discounts for our tickets next year, I believe NASCAR and Goodyear should foot the bill for it!! I never have been so upset about a race! I feel the drivers and teams did the best they could have done considering. I put all the blame on NASCAR and Goodyear, now get your head on straight and buck up and make it right to the Indy fans!!!!
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#63
07-29-2008 10:01 PM |
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Quit making excuses and put a quality product on the track I was at the speedway for the 400. I have been there for the last 8 years and have always enjoyed myself. I spend on average $600 to bring my entire family to this event. Unfortunatley I won't be back aftyer this unless NASCAR makes some retribution to the fans in attendance. What gets me the most is all the finger pointing and excuses. Yes you made a mistake but quit trying to make this race out to be anything more than the travesty it is. NASCAR says there was more passing in the 10 laps at a time racing than in past events. That may be true but it was all meaningless passes of faster cars passing much slower damaged cars and the fact they were always buched up because of cautions. They also need to stop blaming the racing surface and trying to tarnish the famed indy speedway. They surface is the same surface it has been the last 4 years. I'm very disappointed. The Indy 500 gets my money next year not the Brickyard. Very disgusted
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#64
07-29-2008 10:02 PM |
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Fender Car parade After attending many a race that was a stinker. The fault falls flatly on NASCAR and Goodyear tires. After last years practice and race had problems, you'd think they would not wait until this year rolls around to have the same problems. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway had nothing to do with this! Although if they are going to let NASCAR come back the speedway ought to be in control of it's product. Bring the Silver Crown cars back for a 300 or 400 mile race.
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#65
07-29-2008 10:36 PM |
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and they wonder why all the empty seats!!!!! I grew up 2 miles from the track and use to dream of the days I could go and see my favorite drivers and hear the sounds of the cars and smell the fumes as they flew by. Now every time I go to the track I get more and more angery about how I'm getting screwed. I have been going to the track for years and now have to drive 3 hours plus to get there. Only to see a never ending race, people get up and leaving after 60 laps, thousands of empty seats, and the list goes on and on. What a disappointment it has come. I use to hold my head up high and say with pride that I grew up by the track and told stories of my childhood in Indianapolis, now I keep my mouth shut because most people could care less about the Indy 500, or the Brickyard. I myself will have to wait and see if I go back next year. I do have to thank you for one thing, I don't have to worry about being crowed in my seat like in years past!!! Next year I might have a whole section to myself!! Keep it up and I might be the only person sitting in all of turn 1 that would be pretty neat. Kind of hard to do the wave though.
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#66
07-30-2008 05:29 AM |
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Still got to see the cars go around... You know, several days now after the race, I still have to say I'm glad I went. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is such an amazing place, I love it every time I walk through the gates -- the history, the people, the traditions. I had great seats, the weather was pretty much perfect, and I got to see my favorite drivers go around the track -- even saw some passing, actual racing! Not at their usual top speeds, mind you, but racing nonetheless. Not trying to be Little Mary Sunshine, but I got to see what I came to see, so no refund required here.
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#67
07-30-2008 06:00 AM |
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refund or tickets for 2009 8 tickets ($600) through coke reward, 6800 points, $200 in gas, $200 in food for a total of $1,000 to watch yellow flag raceing every 10 laps. To much money for a disappointment. I will not return it is not worth it move the race to kentucky speedway.
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#68
07-30-2008 07:01 AM |
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Shades of F1 Didn't the Speedway provide discounted or free tickets to the next year's event after F1's tire debacle 3 years ago? I don't see this as a whole lot different. The entire fan base was robbed(and that is the correct term) of their ticket price. Truly a travesty. I would say most of the blame should be put squarely on the Goodyear engineers' back. Lack of testing is just an excuse. Probably my last set of Goodyears.
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#69
07-30-2008 07:12 AM |
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re: Still got to see the cars go around... Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Jo Thomas You know, several days now after the race, I still have to say I'm glad I went. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is such an amazing place, I love it every time I walk through the gates -- the history, the people, the traditions. I had great seats, the weather was pretty much perfect, and I got to see my favorite drivers go around the track -- even saw some passing, actual racing! Not at their usual top speeds, mind you, but racing nonetheless. Not trying to be Little Mary Sunshine, but I got to see what I came to see, so no refund required here. Well said, it was a beautiful weekend and the COT did produce more side-by-side racing than in past events. Surely Goodyear will not make an embarassment of themselves again next year.
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#70
07-30-2008 08:00 AM |
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IMS- not disabled friendly I have been going to the Brickyard for the last 5 years...this was the last. Do to health issues I really could have used a ride to the general area of my seats. I talked to the safety person who called for a ride for me at 11:30, at 1:30 I was still waiting. I was told they were really busy. They can let cart after cart for young people to drive around show people their beer etc. but they can not help a person who needs help this year. I have never asked for help before but this year I did and found them not friendly about it at all. That is an awful thing to do in my book. Then on top of it the race was not a race it was cars doing laps and changing tires.
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#71
07-30-2008 08:08 AM |
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re: re: What a Fraud Quote: Originally Posted by Race Fan I don't know what race you attended yesterday, but I was in the stands in Indy too. The only time debris was ever mentioned as a reason for the cautions was early in the race when there were actually accidents (blown tires). It was made very clear that "competition yellows" would be thrown after 10-12 laps of green flag racing. It's unfortunate that you apparently never heard anything until after the halfway point in the race. It's ridiculous to blame the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for what happened yesterday. Nothing has changed with the track since 2005. The blame falls with NASCAR and Goodyear for failing to conduct the proper testing to ensure Goodyear supplied the right tires for the race. Remember, this is the first time that the Car of Tomorrow has been run at Indy -- obviously, the combination of the COT and Goodyear tires didn't work together. But that's NASCAR's and Goodyear's fault, not the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Fans should be pissed about what happened yesterday -- but at least be pissed at the right people. By far the most reasonable and logical response posted to date. NASCAR chose to change the design of the car. NASCAR chose to leave Indy off the full test schedule. GOODYEAR chose to bring a tire that they knew from their own test was unreliable at best. The only constant in the whole equation is the track surface. It's not changed yet everyone is griping at the track for a refund. It isn't IMS who let the fans down, it's Nascar and Goodyear. THEY knew coming in that they wouldn't be able to run more than a few laps at a time, yet THEY did nothing to address it. If you want to complain at least do it to the two entities that value the fans so little they would knowingly subject them to what we witnessed Sunday.
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#72
07-30-2008 08:33 AM |
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re: What a Fraud Quote: Originally Posted by SUE IMS I suggest Indy better make complete and total refunds on all tickets and all cost associated with those individuals who went to the race. After we returned home, we watched the race again on TIVO. What a completely different race it was. ESPN announced before the race even started that there were going to competition yellows every 10 laps or so. While listening to race at the speedway, not one metion of these yellows at all until more than half way threw. Some of the yellows were claimed as debris on the track inside the speedway, when in fact they were SCHEDULED COMPETITION YELLOWS. This is not a NASCAR or GOODYEAR ISSUE< IT IS AN ISSUE OF THE SPEEDWAY. THEY WANTED TO AVOID WHAT HAPPENED AT THE F1 RACE, SO THEY LIED TO THE COMSUMER. This statement is completely inaccurate and grossly false. None of the yellows were attributed to debris and the ESPN announcers said their would be competition yellows at the 10, 20 and 30 lap marks. There was no mention that it would last the entire race. If you know anything about racing, you know that this is not IMS's fault. This is completely Goodyear's and NASCAR's issue.
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#73
07-30-2008 09:18 AM |
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re: Why should I come back???? Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Murphy I have supported all racing at Indy for many years. 500 tickets (even with the split), all 15 Brickyard races, and even the F-1. I have come to expect fun excitement and even the pageantry. I should have seen the writing on the wall when IMS/Nascar couldn't even get the fly-over on time during the National Anthem. Rumor has it that the planes were all equipped with Goodyear landing gear and to do a mandatory stop in Kokomo. I don't know I should expect a better race anytime in the near future. I don't know why I would want to support the Moto GP. Why should I come back????? Don't short change IMS for something that wasn't their fault. You should support IMS because it's the greatest and most historical track in the United States, and some say the world. So, NASCAR and Good Year got it wrong - it happens. I paid just as much as anyone, staying from Thursday through Monday. I wouldn't have rather been anywhere else regardless of the race results. Hopefully Good Year can learn from their mistakes, and can catalyze innovation, but don't ditch them for life for one mistake. I've been to all but one race at the track in 26 years, and I'm not stopping now. Everyone else can take off if they like.
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#74
07-30-2008 11:48 AM |
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re: re: What a Fraud It is amazing to me that NO ONE listens to the local radio stations before the race. They were talking about this on both the Bob and TOM (Q95) broadcast and on the WIBC/IndyFan(1070) broadcast that there were going to be problems. They even 2 hours before the race eluded to this fact. Now I have been coming to Indy for the BrickYard 400 (Allstate 400) since its inception. I have also been going to the 500 for 25+ years (yes even through the IRL/Cart fiasco). While we did see a very poor excuse for a race it is sure that there has been an outpouring of complaints from all of the fans. I am sure that they will get these fixed. I look at it this way, don't renew your tickets, I will be back and hopefully in upgraded seats. :-). Quote: Originally Posted by Race Fan I don't know what race you attended yesterday, but I was in the stands in Indy too. The only time debris was ever mentioned as a reason for the cautions was early in the race when there were actually accidents (blown tires). It was made very clear that "competition yellows" would be thrown after 10-12 laps of green flag racing. It's unfortunate that you apparently never heard anything until after the halfway point in the race. It's ridiculous to blame the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for what happened yesterday. Nothing has changed with the track since 2005. The blame falls with NASCAR and Goodyear for failing to conduct the proper testing to ensure Goodyear supplied the right tires for the race. Remember, this is the first time that the Car of Tomorrow has been run at Indy -- obviously, the combination of the COT and Goodyear tires didn't work together. But that's NASCAR's and Goodyear's fault, not the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Fans should be pissed about what happened yesterday -- but at least be pissed at the right people.
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#75
07-30-2008 12:31 PM |
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re: It's Goodyear's fault Maybe...just maybe if goodyear would quit messing around with the tires, then we could winess a good race. What a mess! Hoosier Tires wouldn't have let us down!
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#76
07-30-2008 02:22 PM |
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Class Action Lawsuit Time... Yes, I got the same "canned" reply when I asked for a partial or a full refund. The IMS reply was "we delivered 400 miles and a checkered flag so sorry about your luck" Well... I have ordered meals and because of the quality, I was given a full refund. I did not finish the meal and in the case of this last Sunday, I departed for the gate after lap 105. I am an unsatisfied customer, as we all are, and we get nothing in return. "We delivered 400 miles and a checkered flag" is the IMS reply? Do you take us as ignorant, stupid people? Lets say the IMS paid a paving company big bucks to repave the track and the company did a lousy job. Do you think the IMS would settle for a "we laid down 500 tons of blacktop and rolled it, so, we delivered and we will try better next time" response from the paver? I don't think so... I have not looked yet but I am wondering if IMS increased ticket prices for next year. I am STRONGLY considering not renewing my tickets for next year. As for going after NASCAR and Goodyear, why should I? It was the IMS that charged my credit card so I hold them totally responsible. They should refund and they should go after NASCAR and Goodyear. Maybe we need to file a class action lawsuit by claiming we were given an inferior product. As a consumer, it is time to take a stand once and for all...
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#77
07-30-2008 03:09 PM |
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Their "reply"... OK folks... here is the reply from the IMS when you ask for a partial or a full refund "It is a priority of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway to work with the NASCAR community, including Goodyear, to ensure that the 2009 Allstate 400 at the Brickyard is a world-class sporting event which fans expect when attending an event at our facility. There will be a plan in place, again working with NASCAR and Goodyear, to help prevent this from happening again and we have already begun working on that plan. We understand your frustration with yesterday's race as it was not the type of event we like to present to our fans, but it was in fact a complete 400-mile race with 43 competitors. So, we will not be offering refunds for the race. If you would like to voice your concerns to NASCAR you may do so at fanfeedback@nascar.com or (386) 681-5977. Goodyear can be contacted at www.goodyear.com/email or by writing to 1144 E. Market Street, Akron, OH 44316. Thank you. IMS Public Relations imspr@brickyard.com www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com They admit that they supplied an inferior product, complete, but inferior. They make the statement "but it was in fact a complete 400 mile race"... I disagree. How many laps were under caution? Was it 52 laps under caution? That is the number I read. That equates to 32.5% under caution. That is not a race. Let's do this IMS: figure out how many laps were run under "competition yellow", calculate what percentage of the race that this equates too, and lower next years ticket price by that amount. Don't hide under the "but it was in fact a complete 400-mile race with 43 competitors. So, we will not be offering refunds for the race". That is a sad excuse for not making good on an inferior product.
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#78
07-30-2008 03:43 PM |
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Allstop 400: Here's my finger, and it's pointing... Sunday's debacle was not IMS's fault. This one's all on NASCAR and Goodyear for not testing sufficiently to ensure driver safety as well as putting up a good fan experience. In 16 years of watching NASCAR, I've never seen the organization quite so caught off-guard by a nasty tire surprise like this one. We expected wide-open runs, but we got 10 to 12-lap sprints. Somehow, this ended up feeling like a particularly rough pre-CoT Bristol race, only not quite so exciting. I feel terrible when I think of all the money fans spent to come to IMS for something that more resembled a series of heat races than a freewheeling romp around the Brickyard. I'm sure things will be back to the expected awesomeness next time around, but I'll forever remember the 2008 NASCAR race at Indy as the Allstop 400.
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#79
07-30-2008 03:51 PM |
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Allstop 400: Here's my finger, and it's pointing... This wasn't IMS's fault. The racetrack surface has been the same since 2005. In my 16 years of watching NASCAR, I've never seen the organization so caught off-guard by a nasty tire issue. I'm pretty annoyed that NASCAR and Goodyear didn't test with enough diligence to ensure something like this wouldn't happen What transpired Sunday was certainly in the best interest of driver and fan safety, but it made for a very poor fan experience. It felt a lot like a pre-CoT Bristol race, minus much of the excitement. When I think of the fans who paid hundreds of dollars to bear witness to Sundays series of 10 to 12-lap heat races, it makes me feel sad. I doubt they'll get their money back, and in a lot of cases, I doubt they'll be coming back. It's hard to say whether postponing the race to allow correction of the tire situation would've been feasible... I imagine it wouldn't have worked for most non-local fans. Next year's NASCAR race at Indy will almost certainly be back to the high standards we expect of one of NASCAR's five-star events, but I'll always remember this year's Indy run as the Allstop 400.
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#80
07-30-2008 07:59 PM |
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Ridiculous As for IMS's response, it is totally ridiculous!!!! I am the customer and I paid them for my tickets. I want my money back or I will not be back. IMS should have been pro-active about the situation after the original tire test. After all it wasn't that long ago they had the F1 fiasco. Now, if IMS has a problem with one of their vendors, they should take it up with the vendor (NASCAR). Then NASCAR can go after Goodyear. Either way, I don't care and if they don't give me my money back for at least the tickets, I WILL NOT BE BACK. This was my 8th straight Brickyard 400 and more than likely my last. IMS says that a full 400 mile race was run and I say BS to that!!! There was no race!!! To compare Sunday's event to a race would be to compare the WWF/WWE to Olympic wrestling. BTW, is IMS saying that if an event in the future is stopped because of rain at the 201 mile mark that they are going to provide refunds??? I tell you what, the average ticket is probably about $100 and just say there are 100,000 folks wanting refunds.....well get the $10M from NASCAR, Goodyear, or ESPN. ESPN was surely the winner on this one as they had plenty of time to air commercials. Also, there were plenty of empty seats there this year, just wait until next year if there is not a resolution to this. Fan loyalty only goes so far. If you folks at IMS can not put on a NASCAR event, then give the date back to NASCAR. I am sure Kentucky (which isn't that far away) would love to have it and there is no doubt they would have put on a much better event.
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