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Joie Chitwood Statement About 15th Allstate 400 At The Brickyard
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#81 
07-30-2008 08:49 PM |
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 re: Shades of F1 Quote: Originally Posted by G reg W Didn't the Speedway provide discounted or free tickets to the next year's event after F1's tire debacle 3 years ago? I don't see this as a whole lot different. The entire fan base was robbed(and that is the correct term) of their ticket price. Truly a travesty. I would say most of the blame should be put squarely on the Goodyear engineers' back. Lack of testing is just an excuse. Probably my last set of Goodyears. I am still puzzled by the tire dusting issuer, is it possible that Goodyear decided to omit part of the compound that makes the rubber sticky, the additives are derived from oil and we all know what the price of oil has done in the past year. IMS IS responsible for the quality of the event we wrote checks to IMS NOT to NASCAR or Goodyear 
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#82
07-30-2008 09:26 PM |
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Not Indy's fault Hey now... We all know this should have been taken care of prior to the race. It's too bad Nascar and Goodyear weren't together on this one. The track is the same since they laid down the new surface in 05'. So I guess what I'm saying is don't take it out on IMS, it's still the meca of autosports and will always be. Thanks and don't let one race change your opinion of Nascar and the folks at the Brickyard...
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#83
07-30-2008 09:40 PM |
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Outside of a lousy race... reasons drop racing at Indy 1) Lack of support from IMS and NASCAR: Since selling the moniker Brickyard 400 to Allstate, fan loyalty and the declining lack of merchandise, along with joint initiative to keep a continuing legacy. What if Daytona 500 and Indy 500 dropped their long standing and historic names for a highest bidder that will only be remembered until the next buyer claims name. This year there was no mention of the 15th year, and if there was it was over shadowed by Formula GP. Some of the smallest tto the more expensive merchandise was eliminated for the NASCAR event but all other events had a full accompaniment. As if they want this venture to go away in the dust. 2) Ok I am not an engineer but, from what I understand Indy cars are about the 1/2 of the weight of a NASCAR Cup car. But there is a catch, tIndy cars pull 2 to 3 times more g's and have at least 2 times more down force than a cup car. So, wouldn't cup tire compounds be similar? Well any way, I don't like that Goodyear will not allow other tire manufactures step up... after all Goodyear has been behind more than a few times with changes. Having two or more tire manufactures available for options is a lot better than relying on one that cannot keep up with the weather. 3) Yellow flags stopping racing more often than not. NASCAR or the media has made pitstops a part of racing to keep things in balance, in reality it is a distraction when NASCAR adds them in. A few years ago Gordon won his 5th win at Indy, and I do believe there was 11 cautions, and yes tires were a pop'n. If they cannot control pop'n tires then slow down the cars by changing gear ratio's and restrictor plate setups. At least they can run a full race with out as many yellow flags, and NASCAR will be happy with a lot of pit strategy. 4) We have been to all 15 events at Indy and I can't think of a reason to continue, since money seems to be placed on TV and Corporate limitations... Oh yes, it is a trying time for NASCAR to get sponcerships; Yet they allow corporations to control who sponcers, and and when they can. This is a major issue that needs to be addressed. Motorola, AT&T and others have been bitten who wants to be the next to get sued or get a bad rap? As for restoring the Brickyard 400 name and truely testing out the track before the next race (if it should happen), there may be a slow coming home, but at least it is a step to get fans back before all is lost.
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#84
07-30-2008 09:49 PM |
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re: Shades of F1 Quote: Originally Posted by Greg W Didn't the Speedway provide discounted or free tickets to the next year's event after F1's tire debacle 3 years ago? I don't see this as a whole lot different. The entire fan base was robbed(and that is the correct term) of their ticket price. Truly a travesty. I would say most of the blame should be put squarely on the Goodyear engineers' back. Lack of testing is just an excuse. Probably my last set of Goodyears. It was Michelin who gave away 20,000 free tickets and discounted and/or refunded the others.
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#85
07-30-2008 09:51 PM |
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re: Shades of F1 Quote: Originally Posted by Greg W Didn't the Speedway provide discounted or free tickets to the next year's event after F1's tire debacle 3 years ago? I don't see this as a whole lot different. The entire fan base was robbed(and that is the correct term) of their ticket price. Truly a travesty. I would say most of the blame should be put squarely on the Goodyear engineers' back. Lack of testing is just an excuse. Probably my last set of Goodyears. It was in fact Michelin who refunded/discounted tickets from the F1 tragedy of 2005.
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#86
07-31-2008 12:55 AM |
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Bye Bye NASCAR Indy does not need NASCAR. NASCAR needs their largest spectator turnout and a $9 million purse. We said goodbye to the arrogance of F1 and can do the same with this arrogant bunch. Use this July date for an IRL race on the road course and add the ALMS for a 6 hour endurance race on Saturday. That may not be as exciting as the Indy 500(nothing will for that matter) but it will be better than the Brickyard 10,10,10,10...
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#87
07-31-2008 01:21 AM |
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re: re: What a Fraud Quote: Originally Posted by drgra This statement is completely inaccurate and grossly false. None of the yellows were attributed to debris and the ESPN announcers said their would be competition yellows at the 10, 20 and 30 lap marks. I attended the race, they DID attribute yellows to debris. They said once that it was in turn 4, right were I was sitting, the only thing that came by was the street sweeper. ESPN may not have said it was debris, but the announcer at the track did.
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#88
07-31-2008 10:20 AM |
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Incredibly Disappointed I have been attending the Brickyard 400 since its inception. I remember the excitement the very first year, with so many requests for tickets they had to do a lottery. Fast forward to last Sunday to see how far this race has fallen. The racing was never spectacular at this track primarily due to its design, including being set up for much lighter cars. However, watching these stock cars racing at such a historic place was incredible in itself. We all know this past Sunday was a disaster. It is very obvious the race was run knowing beforehand that it was going to be an inferior show for the fans. I am sure many of these fans cannot afford to go to but one race a year, and do this one even though it is very expensive. I am one of those fans. After the fact I get the distinct feeling NASCAR and IMS both knew that they had to reach 400 miles regardless of quality so that they fulfilled the basic requirement of the ticket price, and hence would no be legally responsible for a refund if it was requested. Shane on them both. I was always taught to stand behind my work, and do what is right. Simply stated, the end product was unacceptable and the fans were treated wrongly. Any decent organization would make this right for the fans. Obviuosly that is not going to happen. I will not be back.
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#89
07-31-2008 02:25 PM |
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re: Incredibly Disappointed Looking forward to the yearly trip to IMS is what keeps family visiting all the way from montreal. After the sad race on Sunday it will be our last trip. I do not understand why an organization will not stand behind it's name with integrity and refund the unhappy fans. We will take our money else where next year... Atlanta. Quote: Originally Posted by Stephen Scro I have been attending the Brickyard 400 since its inception. I remember the excitement the very first year, with so many requests for tickets they had to do a lottery. Fast forward to last Sunday to see how far this race has fallen. The racing was never spectacular at this track primarily due to its design, including being set up for much lighter cars. However, watching these stock cars racing at such a historic place was incredible in itself. We all know this past Sunday was a disaster. It is very obvious the race was run knowing beforehand that it was going to be an inferior show for the fans. I am sure many of these fans cannot afford to go to but one race a year, and do this one even though it is very expensive. I am one of those fans. After the fact I get the distinct feeling NASCAR and IMS both knew that they had to reach 400 miles regardless of quality so that they fulfilled the basic requirement of the ticket price, and hence would no be legally responsible for a refund if it was requested. Shane on them both. I was always taught to stand behind my work, and do what is right. Simply stated, the end product was unacceptable and the fans were treated wrongly. Any decent organization would make this right for the fans. Obviuosly that is not going to happen. I will not be back.
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#90
07-31-2008 04:54 PM |
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It was a unique race. We sat in the Paddock Penthouse, Sec 32, Row C. Dead in the middle of the front straight. Someone would say "Here they come" and we'd all look to turn 4. Zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom zoom. Then silence. "Here they come". Then more zooms. More silence. "Here they come". More zooms. More silence. "Here they come". More zooms. Then a yellow, then a full field pit stop. Repeat about 15 times. We loved all the full field pit stops. We loved bunching them back up as soon as they strung out. The silent periods were downright weird. We were glad I saw it.
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#91
07-31-2008 05:47 PM |
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This was sadly my first NASCAR race After years of watching races on television and getting more and more interested in the sport, I finally decided to make my way to a race. I thought about which one I should make my first NASCAR event ever. Of course, if I was going to do it right, I should make it the biggest event. So I decided I'd get two tickets to the Brickyard 400 (the race's true name... seriously "The Brickyard 400 presented by Allstate" would maybe get me to look at getting my insurance through you). I was ready for the crowd, the noise, the heat, and most of all a competitive race. The crowd was great. NASCAR fans around us were awesome. The race... I've seen way better for 1/32 of the price at a local dirt track. Goodyear, you screwed me. The surface hasn't changed since 2005. Yes the car changed. But you should know the difference with the COT by now, even if you haven't raced directly on a surface. Buy me tickets to Kansas Goodyear. Prove you and NASCAR are working for the fans. Tickets aren't cheap. What my friend and I got were a bunch of 12-lap heat races we see every weekend.
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#92
07-31-2008 06:22 PM |
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re: Shades of F1 Quote: Originally Posted by Greg W Didn't the Speedway provide discounted or free tickets to the next year's event after F1's tire debacle 3 years ago? I don't see this as a whole lot different. The entire fan base was robbed(and that is the correct term) of their ticket price. Truly a travesty. I would say most of the blame should be put squarely on the Goodyear engineers' back. Lack of testing is just an excuse. Probably my last set of Goodyears. Actually, the Speedway did squat, except arrogantly blame everyone but the Indianapolis Colt Cheerleading Squad. Michelin Tires refunded the money and purchased some seats for the 2006 USGP. Interestingly enough, even Michelin Tires never really accepted responsibility or issued an apology. But it was a gesture that IMS or F-1 could be fagged to do. Don't hold your breath waiting for an apology, refund or an explanation from this pack of theives. They got thier dough and won't part with a dime. Boycotting IMS, NASCAR and Goodyear are the only way to hit them in the pockets.
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#93
07-31-2008 06:56 PM |
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re: Bye Bye NASCAR Quote: Originally Posted by Ron W Indy does not need NASCAR. NASCAR needs their largest spectator turnout and a $9 million purse. We said goodbye to the arrogance of F1 and can do the same with this arrogant bunch. Use this July date for an IRL race on the road course and add the ALMS for a 6 hour endurance race on Saturday. That may not be as exciting as the Indy 500(nothing will for that matter) but it will be better than the Brickyard 10,10,10,10... Great idea. I'd much rather see the Indy cars that F1 or NASCAR. Doing it on the road course would be great... as long as they allow Indy 500 seat holders to reserve their seats for that date.
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#94
07-31-2008 11:25 PM |
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re: Brickyard 400 - Quote: Originally Posted by Robert HIghtower Jr The 2008 Brickyard 400 was my first visit to Indy. The day up to the green flag was spectacular. Indy's staff were extremely helpful and friendly to my son and I when we asked questions on directions, history of the race track and so forth. The world stopped for precious moments as my son and I visited the Museum. The atmosphere before the race was electric for us and will be remembered forever. The race however was terrible. The Greatest Race Track in the World should not ever be witness to such a poor event. NASCAR and Goodyear should be ashamed of themselves. I was absolutely stunned by this poor performance on the race track. IMS officials need to be more involved than simply turning a race at Indy over to NASCAR's sanctioning body. IMS cannont simply stand aside of such a huge event as the Brickyard 400. PLEASE IMS takeover this race! Insist to NASCAR run the race "our" way or find somewhere else to race. IMS and racing fans deserved so much more. I wasn't going to renew for 2009's Brickyard 400, my heart says yes, my brain says no. I'm listening to my heart this time because of the spectucular day my son son and I were having before the race due to Indy's spectacular atmosphere. This time I will not hold IMS responsible. Next year I will. Robert Hightower Jr. Robert, I agree ! After years of watching NASCAR on TV this year I had the chance to see my first race inperson. My friend and I bought tickets and drove over to Indy at the last minute from Cincinnati and like you had a very good expierence up the the point of the drop of the green flag. Then the wheels fell off (no pun intended) lets just say it was a long expensive day for such a bad show. Not only do I have no interest in driving to and spending a lot of hard earned money on another race, I have lost interest in watching it on TV anymore. I was that disapointed. Maybe someday I will want to watch it again but for now I've got better things to do. Disapointed Dave from Cincinnati
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#95
08-01-2008 11:48 AM |
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re: What a Fraud I couldn't agree more! I normally re-order my tickets the day after the race. However I have not done so yet. I am waiting on NASCAR to refund my ticket price for this years race (or should I say tire testing session). I love going to the race but I just can't see paying that much money and not getting to see an actual race. I think both NASCAR & Goodyear should spilt the cost and send refunds to all ticket holders because if they don't they are going to risk another F1 situation! Quote: Originally Posted by SUE IMS I suggest Indy better make complete and total refunds on all tickets and all cost associated with those individuals who went to the race. After we returned home, we watched the race again on TIVO. What a completely different race it was. ESPN announced before the race even started that there were going to competition yellows every 10 laps or so. While listening to race at the speedway, not one metion of these yellows at all until more than half way threw. Some of the yellows were claimed as debris on the track inside the speedway, when in fact they were SCHEDULED COMPETITION YELLOWS. This is not a NASCAR or GOODYEAR ISSUE< IT IS AN ISSUE OF THE SPEEDWAY. THEY WANTED TO AVOID WHAT HAPPENED AT THE F1 RACE, SO THEY LIED TO THE COMSUMER.
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#96
08-01-2008 01:58 PM |
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Downhill and picking up speed I have been to 35 500s and all of the 400s. I have been to races at other tracks in the country. i have never been so thoroughly disgusted with a sanctioning body and/or venue as I am now with NASCAR and the IMS. What the racing public was given at the Brickyard was a complete sham. A perfect case of 'bait and switch'. The rich got richer and the common fan -- who is already strapped for cash -- footed the bill. I am left trying to decide if there is any hope at all for racing, or if its going to be this bad from here on out. Do I even concern myself with a tradition of taking my kids to the races, or do I tell them, "You know what? Its just not worth it. We'll invest the time and money differently and do other family-based activities." Meeting Chitwood, and NASCAR officials and IMS officials would be a dream come true right about now.
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#97
08-02-2008 11:48 AM |
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Not the first time This is not the first time tires have been the issue at the Brickyard. I can remember when staples in the sod got kicked up onto the track and caused yellows. I can remember rumble strips coming loose and causing punctures and causing yellows. Now we have a track surface issue. When is it going to stop. I don't want to come to the track and watch a parade. It has been three years since I saw any green light pitstops. Come on now. Too many yellows. How about winning the race on the track instead of a manipulated finish. I have just about had it. I say send nascar packing and go back to only one race a year. FIX IT OR ELSE!!!!!
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#98
08-03-2008 01:23 PM |
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waste of money this year my family wanted to go to the race, we spent 12 hours of driving, $400 dollars for hotel stay, $400 for race tickets,plus money to get in on saturday and parking for two day. And for what? probably the worst race I've seen in my life. I've seen alot of short track racing on asphalt and on dirt, and those shows are well worth the money, but the Allstate 400 was the worst waste of money my family could of spent to watch a race. Next year I think that if I.M.S. wants fans like myself to return, a discount on tickets would be nice. Otherwise we are starting to think that $1000 plus for family vacation to see racing would be better spent on going to the Knoxville nationals. There you atleast get to see 4 days of great racing, and for half the price. NOT IMPRESSED AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!
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#99
08-04-2008 07:36 PM |
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I had fun at the Brickyard Just wondering, why did the 500 go okay? What about the Brickyard last year? It was fine. So Nascar had new cars and new tires this year. And Nascar did a tire test a few months ago and knew that the tires were not going to work on that track. Now I am not the smartest person but I would have to say that the fault lies with Nascar. So I think everyone needs to stop placing blame on the Speedway, who did nothing but provide an excellent, well mantained track. I was at the race and had a blast. And to the person who called the track the Indy Raceway, have some respect, it is the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. It has been the Speedway, not Raceway, for decades. The town of Speedway was named after it for God's sake.
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#100
08-07-2008 08:29 PM |
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Not that you really care... Joie: 1) I spent more than a week's salary (a nano second in the world of speed) to see a prolonged "tire test" at this year's Brickyard 400. I am not very happy. 2) To add insult to injury, one of my group cancelled at the last minute, so I "ate" a ticket to boot. He enjoyed the "race" at home. 3) Yes...we do not want to see anyone hurt, maybe tear up some sheet metal...yes...but when you take the risk out of racing what do you have left? A parade. Why wasn't the decision to let the drivers/teams determine how hard & how long to push the questionable match up of tires/cars/track? To finish first, first you have to finish. Let the teams make that decision how hard to push the machines. 4) I saw traffic on I-65 going faster. 5) There WAS a race, Denny Hamlin did have "something" for Hendrick, but that was pulled from his hands with 8 laps to go and passed over to a race in the pits (which is part of the game...but we want to see the drivers RACE...not follow the leader out of the pits. 6) Too bad nobody will accept responsibility for this year's debacle...Not NASCAR, not IMS, not Goodyear...ya' all got your money. So, who cares? The sport was built form the "ground up", now it is being run from the "up" down.
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